Thursday, March 29

Diagnosis & Cedars Sinai Update

Befuddled.  Unsure.  Doesn't match any patterns; constellation of symptoms don't point to anything definitive.

Those were some of the words I heard this morning when our high risk OB called to tell me he had received word from Cedars Sinai about Will's scans last night.  I had known this call would likely be coming this week so I jumped up with anticipation when I saw the number on my cell phone this morning.  I was actually excited for the call...excited to hear someone else's opinion on our sweet boy.  At the same time, I have learned enough from other parents that have been through similar things to know that nothing is definitive and even the experts can be wrong.  So, I was excited to hear what they thought, but not ready to put all of my faith in their diagnosis.

I guess the short version of the story is that the primary doctor at Cedars Sinai that reviews ultrasounds of babies expected to have a skeletal dysplasia was stumped by Will's scans.

  • I'll start with what the doctors did agree on: his chest is really small and within the lethal range (his is .45 and they usually say anything less than .6 is lethal).  It's so awkward when this comes up, though.  I can tell our high risk OB is very uncomfortable talking about lethality and making any statements that sound too definitive.  Anyway, it is within the lethal range numerically, so we'll just have to wait on Will to show us how strong he is when he arrives in a few weeks.  We also have another ultrasound next Wednesday to look at those measurements again in utero.
  • Now for the part that isn't so cut and dry according to the doctors:  the rest of his body doesn't perfectly match any of the dysplasias (there are over 380 types).  For months now, we have been headed down the path of osteogensis imperfecta (OI) because the doctors have spotted likely fracturing in one of his femurs and humeri.  I say likely because we haven't spotted any obvious fracturing, like sharp angulation, etc.  His femurs are also measuring short, less than the 5th percentile, but his humeri are measuring close to on-time.  According to the doctors that spoke last night, that leaves them kind of stumped.  
  • It doesn't appear to be a classical case of OI, so they're not exactly sure what it may be.  

SOOOOO, we're really where we started in this whole journey.  We won't know until he arrives.  :)

I actually find it pretty amusing..we've taken all these steps to further an in utero diagnosis and we always end up right back where we started.  Will keeps stumping us all, even the experts!  I guess part of me is excited by the fact that he's not a clear cut case.  I was really expecting them to come back and say he has lethal type 2 OI and be done with it, but the fact that they don't really know what's going on gives me a little more hope.  This little boy has made me cry tears of grief on many occasions and yet he always surprises me.  I pray that he continues to surprise us all and I know that with God's help we're all in for an amazing journey.

This information does leave us with the quite little predicament.  We were all settled to have a c-section on May 2, but this week I've had two different doctors tell me that they would try to deliver naturally.  On Monday, we met with a pediatric geneticist that advised us against a c-section.  She was mainly basing this off the fact that I haven't had a c-section before and that Will's chest is within the lethal range.  Her thinking was why risk a c-section if he won't make it?  I expressed my hopes to her that he would prove everyone wrong and that if he does have OI, I wanted to try to minimize any additional fractures.  She suggested we wait to see what Cedars Sinai had to say and then decide.  Basically, she said if Cedars Sinai said it was lethal to deliver naturally.  SOOOO, we all know now what Cedars Sinai said... lethal but they don't know that it is OI.  I asked my high risk OB this morning what he thought and I also told him what the geneticist had advised.  He agreed with her and advised that he would recommend a natural delivery.  All of this is still an ongoing point of discussion for us and I really think the final decision will be left up to Carlton and me.

So, here's the thing.  From everything I've read and all the parents I have been in contact with that have gone down this road, most always advise to go the c-section route.  I'm so torn about what to do.  I know I'll be praying about it and hopefully He will help me make the right call for us.  In the meantime,  if you're a parent that has gone through something similar, I would love to hear from you.  What is your opinion?  What advice do you have?  Feel free to email me (thetallchickblog@gmail.com) or leave a comment below.

So, that's where we stand right now...exactly where we have been standing the last 34 weeks.  :)  Please continue to pray for our family and our miraculous little boy that loves making people scratch their heads.  I just have to say that I absolutely L-O-V-E that about him already...  mischievous!

Will @ 33 weeks...just hanging out!

12 comments:

  1. Mary,

    I do know that Cedars Sinai has given the "lethal" diagnosis to many kiddos who are still kicking. Glad to know you are not taking their conclusion as 100% truth. Given what you have learned about Will, I would go for the c-section, to minimize the trauma to Will, and give him the best start possible. I pray for you and your family daily.

    Jessica Scoggins

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  2. I think I would go towards a natural birth as well. The main reason a lot of babies with SD are born via c-section is either cervical instability, very large heads, or concerns about fractures. The last one is the only one I am concerned about for Will. How strongly do they believe they are seeing fractures?

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  3. Going along with what Jessica said, Cedar Senai is known in OI kiddos to give a lethal diagnosis and then they child proves them wrong! What so many people dont understand about these kiddos, is even though they present one way on ultrasound, these guys are amazingly strong! And you're right you have NO idea how things will go for Will until he enters this world and lets you know himself! Will presents very much like my Troy did in utero.....I am very thankful actually that we did not get our Cedar Senai report back until after Troy was born, cause it wasn't until Troy was 2 that I finally read that report and they also said he was lethal! Troy is 5yrs today, yes he has had a journey with OI, with upss and downs, but he's here and he sure does love life! I advise going with the c-section, cause you want to give your little guy a chance regardless, and in my opinion the c-section gives the docs more control over delivering him and can deliver him in a safer manner.Look at how many of our snowflakes are here today, when so many doctors said they would not be! It is Will's will and God's will, not the doctors! Stay strong mama, most importantly enjoy your pregnancy and these few weeks before Will arrives! I pray and hope he proves docs wrong like so many of our kids have!

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  4. As you know from reading our story, we had a very similar experience. The doctors were up in the air about it during my pregnancy and also told us that her chest size was too small. They also saw the bowing in almost all her limbs except humerous (which were the only on time sized bones). We were told delivery didn't matter that she wouldn't survive either way. I decided on a C-section for a few different reasons. I have two older girls whom I delivered all naturally. Reason #1, if it was OI, and there were breathing complications I wanted to give the doctors quickest access to her to save her. I also wanted to minimize any stress on her fragile body. Having a planned date allowed everyone to be completely ready. (In true Sonya fashion she sabotaged the delivery date though and came 2 weeks early) Reason #2, and this may sound really selfish and it probably is... My first daughter was a quick 3 hours of labor and delivery, my second was an exhausting painful 14 hours and my baby got stuck because she turned mid pushing phase (not as long as some women I know... but I wasn't expecting that after the easy first child). I didn't want to go through another long painful or complicated delivery. It was already an exhausting, stressful and complicated enough situation. I was craving something we could know for sure, something we could plan on. We could plan on having a C-section. The only negative of a C-section for me was not being able to get up right away. When they took Sonya off to the NICU I had my hubby follow and stay with her 100% of the time until I could feel my bottom half again and move. We communicated on cell phones the whole time. Bring your chargers! We killed our batteries quick. Hubby had to plug in while in NICU! In my eyes it was worth being immobile for awhile and waiting to see my baby if it gave the doctors and her the best senario to work with. Luckily, our prenatal docs were wrong, her chest was fine. Those ultrasounds and other tests can't show anything for absolute sure! They even thought she had 2 clubbed feet... she only had one. Hang in there mama! You are doing awesome and no matter what God has truly blessed you and he is residing over all of this!! Many hugs!!!

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  5. Lethal Owen was 5 years old on 2-13-12. It's totally in God's hands and a mystery until Will arrives! Love the sunglasses BTW!

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  6. You and your family are in our prayers. Good luck! I know that every little life is precious and I pray that your little guy is more of a fighter then the doctors give him credit for.

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  7. Another lethal Cedars Sinai diagnosis here with a natural delivery and turned out to have OI type 4. He just turned 2, walking, and loves playing baseball!

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  8. Mary, my three-year-old Rachel prays for "Baby Will" every night when we say our prayers. I have never been through anything similar, but Rachel was born by C-section, and from what I know about OI and SD, this is the safest route for the baby. I know this is not true for everyone, but a c-section was an absolute breeze for me, and I anticipate that you would do very well with it as well. We continue to pray for Will and your whole family! Jane Sage

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  9. Our son was given a lethal diagnosis of OI as well and we were not really given a choice as to delivery. he was delivered via "classic" c section ( vertical cuts) to minimize trauma and they placed him on special foam to minimize break etc. Ultrasound indicated several breaks. It turned out they were wrong, he has Achondroplasia and is turning 6 next month. That being said I would not have wanted to risk any trauma from natural child birth. I wanted any time I could have with him and am glad that we had a c-section.

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  10. C-section or natural is such a hard decision, I came on here to say "I would go natural" and after reading the previous comments, I'm less sure than I was 5 minutes ago...

    My thinking was:
    Will it make a huge difference for Will? Probably not. I've HEARD of kids with OI being delivered naturally and it being ok. If it IS lethal, will delivery method change that? Maybe not. There have been some studies that have shown that natural delivery is "better" for a newborns lungs as well... so maybe there are even some benefits for Will - particularly if they ARE wrong about the diagnosis...

    Now also - if it IS lethal, when he is born, you will want to be able to be with him instantly - and if you are getting stitched up etc, you will have to wait. If you have a natural delivery, as soon as he is born, you can spend time with him RIGHT away...

    My other thought was for you - C section will leave you with scars for one, and possibly complicate future deliveries (if you are planning to have more kids). For your health, there are huge benefits in avoiding a C section.

    All that said, I've read all the above comments and I'm less "sure" of my point of view after reading them too... I thought I'd still share my initial thoughts with you though...

    (btw - is his head size average? If it's above average, natural might turn into emergency C section, and a planned C section is preferable to an emergency C section!!)

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  11. Lethal LEANDRO was 18 months old now. when i was pregnt the small chest was alarming the doctors, range over .4...c-section and expect the unpredectible...and they born and cry ando go to the room with us...he has achondoplasia and is a healty regular litle boy!!!!!Its in God's hands Will arrives! have faith the ultrasound can fail!!!!

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  12. Hey girlie! Eddie and I went back and forth with natural and c-section also! Some POLP(parents of little people) suggested to me to have a c-section because of the large head and the problems with pressure because she was an Achon. I contacted experts at John Hopkins and they said a natural birth would be just fine because Lyla's head wasn't overly large. I personally didn't want a C-section because I had Emma naturally and ( this reason is selfish) I didn't want my body to be messed up with this ugly scar! ( I know very selfish but I'm being honest).
    I decided to leave it in God's hands and.......when I was in labor, Lyla went into fetal distress and I HAD to have a c-section!
    I have to tell you from my own personal experience I had an AMAZING recovery. I loved having a c-section! I was up and walking around with NO PROBLEMS at all!,,,, 10 hours after Lyla came out. Eddie was with Lyla from the moment she came out and I couldn't be with her right away but I wasn't upset because she was with her daddy and my Hubby wouldn't let anyone mess with his baby girl so I knew she was being taken care of! I was walking around like a champ and was fine!
    Oh and my scar is awesome too! It is a long scar but it looks good and I still rock my bikini with a flat stomach! Lol
    I say you do what feels comfortable and if you want to leave it up to God like I did well then that's what you do! Xoxo

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Thank you for all of your fabulous comments! Keep 'em coming!